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7. Occult “Then he becomes an ageless pathological monster, crouching to kill, on evenings when the stars blaze down in the blazing patterns of death.” - Robert Bloch

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Old June 29th, 2008, 06:54 PM   #1
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MORE than you can shake a talisman at. Examples are:

Vesica Pisces http://www.independentartistscompany...ymbols/294.jpg (or Jesus Fish) - In Pagan times, this glyph was associated with the Goddess Venus, and represented female genitalia. Early depictions of Christ depict him as an infant within the vesica (usually called a mandorla, meaning 'almond shaped.'), which represented the womb of Mary (and often, the coming together of heaven and earth in the body of jesus- part man, part god). As such, it is also a doorway or portal between worlds, and symbolizes the intersection between the heaven and the material plane. The shape of arches in gothic architecture is based on the vesica.
Masonic Square and Compass http://www.independentartistscompany...ymbols/262.jpg One of the most common symbols of Freemasonry is the symbol of the crossed compass and set-square. The compass and square are architect's tools, and symbolize God as the architect of the universe, among other things. As measuring instruments, the tools represent judgement and discernment. The compass, which is used to draw circles, represents the realm of the spiritual- eternity. The angle measures the square, the symbol of earth and the realm of the material. Together, they represent the convergence of matter and spirit, and the convergence of earthly and spiritual responsibilities.

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Vesica Pisces http://www.independentartistscompany...ymbols/294.jpg (or Jesus Fish) - In Pagan times, this glyph was associated with the Goddess Venus, and represented female genitalia--Tim Mosley
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Thats what I have been saying for years now....

There's no way anyone tried to put a giant vagina over Whitechapel. Its frigging stupid.

We had one over Philly once and it didn't make a dent in the news.

Seriously, and sorry for the off color humor there to the ladies and sensitive men.......there were at one time, close to 9,000 links on the Internet to this symbol and none of them were in any way sinister. The guy who promoted that theory knew that and essentially and unintentionally encouraged others to examine the other areas of the Stephenson story a little closer. I'll wager Mr. Harris cringed when he heard someone was trying to expand the non-suspect Stephenson's "motive" into this realm of fantasy.
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Old June 30th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #4
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I watched a film today that I hadn't seen in 33 years. It was a low budget tv-movie starring Peter Fonda & Loretta Swit entitled Race With The Devil.

During the movie, Swit opened a satanic book and read "At midnight of the full moon the high priest would plunge a knife into the chest of a human sacrificial offering."

There is nothing earth-shattering about that type of dialogue. That sort of talk has been heard for centuries. "Moonlight - Midnight - a knife plunged into the chest of a human offering." It's sick stuff, and that's just the way the world is. But regardless of your attitudes about this subject, researchers can look back at a certain Whitechapel figure and realize how the man was thinking:

"I chose a bright, moonlight night for my expedition to Whitechapel, just the kind of night that the thug whom I wanted to trail had a predilection for."

"Midnight had struck, and the air was quiet and cool."

Sir Hughes-Hallett made those two 'theatrical-mannered' quotes while speaking about his midnight August 8th Whitechapel hunt. You could tell right from the start that Hughes-Hallett drew something very dark about the deliberate knife plunge into Tabram's chest. The exact number of 39 stabbed wounds could have only solidified his belief in the matter.
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With years of Catholic education, a degree which may finally pay off in Christian Culture, and an abiding interest in symbology, I can attest I never heard of this vesica pisces until I studied Jack the Ripper and Roslyn D'Onston.
This symbol was new to me and I had many misconceptions, it would seem. I thought it had something to do with the ICHTHYS fish symbol of Jesus. While the fish symbol can be found in the overlapping circles, vesica pisces actually means fish bladder. I'm guessing it's because that's what it looks like.
There is no direct connection that I know of between the history of the Ichthys and the Vesica.
I'm still wondering why you characterize the vesica pisces as a "Christian" symbol when Christians never use it and even the Ichthys is unknown. My friend told me he never heard of the fish symbol until he saw it on Seinfeld and I think I first heard about it from Pentecostals.
The vesica pisces looks like a perfect illustration for Catholic theology about the intersection of the temporal and the divine but not once do I remember the Catholic instructors using intersecting circles. They'll use the cross or the X.
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With years of Catholic education, a degree which may finally pay off in Christian Culture, and an abiding interest in sybology, I can attest I never heard of this vesica pisces until I studied Jack the Ripper and Roslyn D'Onston.

Ha !!! Von Schwantz !! And neither would D'Onston in regard to any link to the WM crimes ! I can see him laughing along with the rest of us...

This symbol was new to me and I had many misconceptions, it would seem. I thought it had something to do with the ICHTHYS fish symbol of Jesus. While the fish symbol can be found in the overlapping circles, vesica pisces actually means fish bladder. I'm guessing it's because that's what it looks like.
There is no direct connection that I know of between the history of the Ichthys and the Vesica.
I'm still wondering why you characterize the vesica pisces as a "Christian" symbol when Christians never use it and even the Ichthys is unknown. My friend told me he never heard of the fish symbol until he saw it on Seinfeld and I think I first heard about it from Pentecostals.

The vesica pisces looks like a perfect illustration for Catholic theology about the intersection of the temporal and the divine but not once do I remember the Catholic instructors using intersecting circles. They'll use the cross or the X.

Well,well,well...aren't we all high and mighty over there ! I suppose you haven't hear of Reverend I. J. Pinkerton Edwards, the man who hobknobbed with Henry Lincoln, another one of those guys who sees "links to occult lines" everywhere he turns.

All that stuff is, is an attempt to profit off the interest in that ridiculous Da Vinci code shite that the kids and detached adults who are "into" the whacky world of the "occult" have. If Pinkerton tried to push the idea that there is a parallelogram...which there is...on the map of Whitechapel when you zigzag from one victim to the other and tried to push that idea that a mathemetician was behind the WM at a mathemetician convention, he'd get laughed at. Far easier and profitable to push the occult nonsense...nonsense that Pinkerton knows RDS is never shown to have practiced, only talked about.

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Old September 13th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #7
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All that stuff is, is an attempt to profit off the interest in that ridiculous Da Vinci code shite that the kids and detached adults who are "into" the whacky world of the "occult" have.
And might not Jack be one of these adults? Are you taking the position Jack was a straight secular man with no religous interests or just a whacko with a fragmented mind which sometimes spills out occult?
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on the map of Whitechapel when you zigzag from one victim to the other and tried to push that idea that a mathemetician was behind the WM at a mathemetician convention, he'd get laughed at.
If you watch Animal X Monster or Murderer on Youtube, you'll see how a profiler followed the zigzag pattern of the Beast of Gevaudan and determined that a man was behind the beast (i.e. the animal was trained). The trail zigzagged straight in a regular pattern unlike a wild animal. ^v^v^v
I can tell you Jack wasn't 'an animal' in any sense.
The Ichthys is in fact derived from the mandorla symbol and by association, the Vesica Pisces. So you're right about the VP being at least an Early Christian symbol.
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All that stuff is, is an attempt to profit off the interest in that ridiculous Da Vinci code shite that the kids and detached adults who are "into" the whacky world of the "occult" have.
And might not Jack be one of these adults? Are you taking the position Jack was a straight secular man with no religous interests or just a whacko with a fragmented mind which sometimes spills out occult?

V.S.;

My current position is that the Ripper was a local man with marginal interest in either religion or the occult or anything other than his needs at the moment.

I don't think that the Ripper needs to be on one side or the other....religious monomania or in the clutches of the occult... as far as what he believed in. I recognize that you are not implying that he had to be on one side of the spiritual fence or the other as well...

That he may have participated in the occult or been a religiously bent person is quite possible and I'd be an idiot to say otherwise. I just don't "see" the evidence so clearly at this point in time. Gimme two weeks and maybe I'll change my mind.

I also am not so certain that he applied the knife to animals, started fires, or masturbated all over the place like some s.k.'s have been known to do...yet thats possible.

Therefore, where is the evidence of any pattern which demonstrates some ritual within these murders is the question.

1. Is the removal of organs of prostitutes a black magic ritual? Not by what I or others have looked into.

2. Were the bodies arranged as if in some sort of ritual pattern? My question is, how do we prove that,even if they did appear to be...

3. Is what D'Onston stated in the PMG on 12/1/88 similar to what occurred?
A. He's got the GSG in Mitre Square.
B. He's assumed that the word "Juwes" means "Juives" and all that rot...
C. He's mentioned a calvary cross.. and uses Smith as a victim to complete the pattern. He mentioned 7 victims. Smith, unless we are all really off here...wasn't a Ripper victim. Here RDS "forces" the proverbial 10 pounds of salt into a 5 pound bag.
D. But the kicker is the mention of the prostitutes organs being used in rituals...and RDS definitely used Eliphaz Levi as a source for the basis of the text he repeated in the December article....but he added the part of the prosses organs. Thats not in Levi's tome. D'Onston lied. Thats a shock,huh?

Where do you stand,oh mighty Schwantz....on whether it was a religiously bent or occultist....?

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Old September 13th, 2008, 10:28 PM   #9
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Too bad the Vesica Pisces is a mandorla or "an almond" and not cashews, or I might put more stock it in myself.... If only not to paint myself into a Masonic corner. Keep my options open.
I think Stephenson made a valiant effort to frame the French. The pattern does suggest someone familiarized to rituals if not actually performing one outside in public like an outdoor mass.
I see an almost perfect V in the first 3 murders which still suggests some subconscious things, at least.
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Its funny you mentioned a "V", V.S....because the Vesica Pisces has been placed on edifices in the form of a vagina.

Its nuts,really,V.S. There's close to 9,000 URLs on the V.P. and none are in reference to something sinister. I suppose Pinkerton didn't know that?

Anyway...I don't think its unreasonable to think that from reading the work published in the year 1888 by the French "occultist" Levi ( real name, Alphonse Louis Constant...and not Jewish as the name Levi would make one think) that RDS had that subconsciously in mind as well.

He also died 13 years BEFORE the release of his 1888 work. Crowley,another b.s. artist, claimed to be the reincarnation of Levi, although Crowley was in his mom's womb at the time of Levi's passing away.



Lévi was the son of a shoemaker in Paris; he attended a seminary and began to study to enter the Roman Catholicpriesthood. However, while at the seminary he fell in love, and left without being ordained.
Vive Le France !

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