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Old June 9th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #101
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Hard to say, isn't it Lynn. The reporter does include the wounds to the face.

If the reference to flowers is false then doesn't that suggest the entire interview is a fabrication? But, the mention of the facial wounds is interesting.

Didn't Stride wear one red flower and one white flower? The petals of which (the white) were said to have been found scattered in Dutfields Yard.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #102
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Hello Jon. Thanks.

"The reporter does include the wounds to the face."

Indeed. That is why I suggest a conflation of stories.

"If the reference to flowers is false then doesn't that suggest the entire interview is a fabrication?"

No. If he is there talking to John, at worst, he is embellishing. But I don't think the reporter is intentionally making anything up.

"Didn't Stride wear one red flower and one white flower?"

I have heard:

1. Red

2. White

3. Red and white

4. 2 flowers--one red, one white

5. Multiple flowers

I have also been given to understand:

1. Rose

2. Dahlia

3. Geranium

Have I mentioned:

1. Maidenhair fern

2. Asparagus fern?

I just LOVE accuracy, don't you? (heh-heh)

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Old June 11th, 2013, 11:39 AM   #103
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Buttonholes are so called because the stem of the flower or flowers is pushed through a buttonhole to secure it in place. A pin can be used for extra security, or on its own when there are no buttonholes to use. Women have the buttons on the left and the buttonholes on the right of a garment, so if Stride's flower went through a buttonhole on her jacket it would explain why it was on or above her right breast.

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Old June 11th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #104
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Hi Lynn.

But we have a spanner in the works, Kozebrodski, he moved her body.

"A member of the club named Kozebrodski, but familiarly known as Isaacs, returned with Diemshitz into the court, and the former struck a match while the latter lifted the body up."
Hi Jon,

It's strange because for the longest time I thought 'former' meant the first one mentioned in a sentence, and 'latter' the second, which in this case would have had Kozebrodski striking the match and Diemshitz lifting up the body.

Mind you, I don't suppose it matters either way. If anyone lifted up the body before Blackwell arrived we are rather left in the dark as to its precise position when the murderer left it.

Actually, should we be suspecting Kozebrodski of murder most foul, if he was familiarly known as Isaacs? Why would he use an alias unless he was up to no good, like Lechmere/Cross before him?

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Old June 11th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #105
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Hello Caroline.

"Buttonholes are so called because the stem of the flower or flowers is pushed through a buttonhole to secure it in place. A pin can be used for extra security, or on its own when there are no buttonholes to use. Women have the buttons on the left and the buttonholes on the right of a garment, so if Stride's flower went through a buttonhole on her jacket it would explain why it was on or above her right breast."

Thanks for this. This is the EXACT kind of logical explanation that lies behind EVERY ripperological conundrum.

Someday, we will be able to give a similar one to the WHOLE case.

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Old June 11th, 2013, 01:44 PM   #106
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Hello (again) Caroline.

He was either 17 or 18 at the time. Highly unlikely.

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Old June 11th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #107
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Hi Jon,

It's strange because for the longest time I thought 'former' meant the first one mentioned in a sentence, and 'latter' the second,
You're correct of course Caz, nothing has changed.

Diemshitz appears to have lifted the body. Interesting that he denies even touching the body, at the inquest.
But then, the man who would have witnessed this was not called at the inquest to refute his claim.
We also notice that in his replies to questions he speaks as though he went to look for a policeman by himself - ignoring the presence of Kozebrodski altogether.


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Actually, should we be suspecting Kozebrodski of murder most foul, if he was familiarly known as Isaacs? Why would he use an alias unless he was up to no good, like Lechmere/Cross before him?
Was it an alias? - his given name was Isaac.
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Hi Wick. Because he took Isaacs on as a surname.

Joseph Isaacs.

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Hi Wick. Because he took Isaacs on as a surname.

Joseph Isaacs.

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He was only 18 though Tom.
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