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Old February 6th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #11
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Thats one of the things that I thought you would mention A.P.
I'm going to look for that clipping shortly. Thanks for stating that about the little kids.
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Old February 6th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #12
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Well, dear gents, what struck me at the time I found the images was the sheer amount of children that were present in the club till late at night; and we all know kids and how they can't sit still and listen to poetry and boring socialist sermon... but apparently on the night of Stride's murder not one of them ventured out into the yard?
A great example of a story that doesnt play well in the imagination, ...so to speak AP. There are a few of them on that very night. One that has an immigrant male Jew casually wandering up to a Immigrant Male Jews Club after a meeting of Immigrant Jews, mostly male....to see if his wife had finished moving what was likely his 2 shirts,pair of pants and coat to their new accommodations...something she began perhaps 10 or 12 hours earlier?

I also like the stories by Heschberg, Isaac K and Spooner that night in the yard, which all have a dead woman discovered in the passageway before 12:45....or the story that Isaac gives where he leaves the yard alone at Louis's request, which of course contrasts Louis who says they left together, after 1am...Isaac sees no-one when looking for help and returns to see Eagle and the police entering the yard......yet Spooner and Louis both say 2 men were running down the street when Spooner meets them, maybe Isaac forgot that Louis actually left with him instead of sending him, as Louis says he did....maybe Louis left with someone else. Funny they wouldnt remember correctly what had happened within the hour though.

I think the smartest guy that night may have been Leon Goldstein, he has these cigarette cartons in his Gladstone and some cigarette makers in the cottages say they were awake at the time, but when he looks into the passageway, he figures its best to get the heck out of there.

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Old February 6th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #13
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A.P.:

Would you let your kids go outside and play after midnight in the middle of the East End in the middle of the JTR scare?

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Old February 6th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #14
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Something to consider:

A.P. found this almost two years ago:

September 14th,1888
"Freethinking Jews and the Black Fast.
The Workers' Friend, the Hebrew Socialist paper, of this week, announces that as a protest against the Jewish religion and the Day of Atonement, the Jewish Socialists and Freethinkers have organised a banquet for tomorrow, which will take place at the International Working Men's Club, 40, Berner-street, Commercial-road. Speeches will be delivered in various languages. The announcement has caused much excitement amongst the orthodox Jews, and it is rumored that a disturbance may take place at the banquet. If so, the members of the International Working Men's Club state that they are prepared, and the aid of the police will not be called in to assist in quelling it. This banquet is unprecedented in Jewish history. '
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Old February 6th, 2010, 11:15 PM   #15
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Great snowBalls Of Fire ! I just spent an hour and a half looking for this thing ! I feel like I hit the lottery...

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....ists#post36698

This is the depiction of the goings on inside the IWMEC.

Thanks to A.P. for finding this in the first place.
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Old February 6th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #16
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One other note here...

The article was written and etched in 1894...not 1887 or 1888.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #17
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I cant see anything but a single post of AP's on that link Howard, could you try that again, I would love to see that piece.

And that mention of stirrings of trouble 2 weeks before the Double Event but concerning the High Holidays which started that same weekend was something I had seen before from AP, but I had forgotten the inclusion of a suggestion that they took steps to ensure their own security at the event......thanks for pointing that out HB.

Ive got so much data collected about Fenians and Socialists and splinter groups that it would take forever to locate a specific reference to "hired security" as clearly as that was stated.

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Old February 7th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #18
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Mike:

I will copy and paste it now. I'm sorry for any problems...I was out shoveling as Mrs. Gutless had to call it quits after only 4 hours of shoveling.

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Old February 7th, 2010, 12:49 PM   #19
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Here you are Mike.



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Old February 7th, 2010, 12:55 PM   #20
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Here you ain't Mike.

One look at this guy's mug and you know why he's an anarchist. What else can he do but go around kvetching !?

From the same periodical A.P. Wolf found...The Graphic, February 24, 1894

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