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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #1
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Hi guys
I am in need of help (or so they tell me!)
I have been sent a copy of the scrap of paper below which contains the address of the Berner Street club by Dutfield's Yard
The thing I am trying to work out is if the scrap of paper it is written on could be a copy of the Workers Friend which was printed in the yard. I realise that it is only a few odd words of German but can anyone translate any of them please - thanks in advance
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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:52 AM   #2
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The German text sounds indeed like a socialist/anarchist editorial from a German newspaper or a transcribed anarchist/socialist speech, printed in a newspaper. I've no information about the Arbeter Fraint printing texts in German. I'm under the impression it was printed only in Yiddish, with some English inserts for good measure. However, several German socialist newspapers existed in the Victorian era, and I've consulted some of them in Paris. This one below sounds clearly more anarchist than socialist.

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Left page: “Your ancestors/predecessors, the city thieves {...missing text...} ammunition {...missing text...} appears to be the explosives from {...missing text...}“
Right page: “{...missing text...} the proprietors {...missing text...} attack a different race {...missing text...}. Why would {...missing text...}“
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #3
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Hi Chris. For what it's worth, the Arbeter Fraint was published in Yiddish.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #4
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Perhaps i'm thinking too straight down the line, but if it was a German/foreigner who had written the address on the paper, would they not have written it in their native language? I only write and speak basic German but it doesn't strike me as the writing of somebody of that nationality....just as another side point.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 04:26 PM   #5
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Perhaps i'm thinking too straight down the line, but if it was a German/foreigner who had written the address on the paper, would they not have written it in their native language?
It's an address, Adam, nobody translates addresses! The handwriting looks German. Most plausibly this could be some German anarchist /German speaking Jewish anarchist visiting London and having been given the IWEC address to visit the Club.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 08:00 PM   #6
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Hi Chris

I don't think a Yiddish newspaper printed in England would be rendered in German Gothic type, would it? That looks like a German language newspaper, likely to have been printed in Germany.

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That looks like a German language newspaper, likely to have been printed in Germany.
Absolutely.
The Arbeter Fraint issues I've seen in Paris (in the archives of the Paris Police Museum) were simply exported from London, published in Yiddish with short English inserts. (I've only encountered single pages from the AF inside of French secret police reports, never an entire AF issue.)
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Is there an echo in here?

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Is there an echo in here?
Is this a “benevolent“ joke, Tom? Cuz I hope not to have offended you in some way. Or have I? (See? Echo!)
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Thanks to both of you for the very useful info
Much appreciated
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