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Old July 10th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #11
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A higher resolution scan of this would certainly be helpful.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #12
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Richard Jones Casebook has a clearer copy than the PRO pack shown, not much mind.

Interestingly, the Jones copy has red underlining in the report similar to that which appeared on the marginalia as see during the Definitive History doc.

What is even more interesting is this underlining is visible in the PRO back which was done around 2002, which kinda gives a clue as to when the red lines appeared on the Marginalia.

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Old July 10th, 2012, 04:49 PM   #13
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Sorry Monty,
can i just stop you there, there are red lines that are not original on it?


Are you serious???

If so that is a small worry is it not? Someone somewhere has been doing this and wtf was that all about and why have they done that and what do the two have in common and what other historical documents have they been allowed at. And why why why?

Sorry to be over dramatic, but you said it so casually - i assume you dont find it troublesome?

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ps wasnt who was being accused of doing it to the other if i recall JS was accused of that!
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Old July 10th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #14
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Nope, don't find it worrisome Jenn,

Just seeing how many 'Conspirsacum Paranoianiums' I could bag.

They are contemporary markings.

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Old July 10th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #15
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Has anyone deciphered this scribbled out note by Swanson on the 19th Oct report of the Stride murder?

To me it appears to be saying something about Stride being at the Ten Bells and that someone could identify the murderer, going on to say that the man should have been detained

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The simplest way to deal with this kind of problem is to use a program like Paintshop, or an equivalent, and draw over those continuous loops with a yellow pen. They are pretty uniform.
The eye will be less confused and better able to join the missing bits of letters.

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Old July 10th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #16
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Thanks Neil

Your reading of it supplies a reason for it to be crossed out as Swanson at first
considers the report to be supplying a description of a man seen with a woman at
1.35am and so states that the woman was dead by then (see report)

Within the next few lines of the report he realises it refers to Eddowes and makes a
note in the margin which says "The woman murdered in the city" and "Eddowes" is underlined

I was going to menion the underlining which is alternatively sharply done with the point of the pencil or pen or many are done with the side of the pencl tip giving a broader line

On the reproduction I'm looking at, all the underlining looks to be black
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Old July 10th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #17
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Nemo,

It seems as a rule that PRO as was (and I think NA as it is now) sent copies on yellow paper. So the PRO pack copy is yellow and not done with coloured ink.

Whereas it looks like the Jones copy is a true copy with the correct colouring. That's why yours is black and Jones is in its true colour.

I suspect Swanson is desputing the time of the sighting, maybe because he thought Eddowes was in custody at the time. He then realises his error and erases it.

This is pure speculation on my part, nothing more.

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Thanks again Neil
My copy is yellow and black though I have Richard's facsimile at home

In reading the actual report. I think it is evident that Swanson thought for a moment
that the description of a man seen with a woman at 1.35 was referring to Stride

I'll still try to decipher the last bit about possibly detaining someone
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Thanks again Neil
My copy is yellow and black though I have Richard's facsimile at home

In reading the actual report. I think it is evident that Swanson thought for a moment
that the description of a man seen with a woman at 1.35 was referring to Stride

I'll still try to decipher the last bit about possibly detaining someone but I think he might
be saying that if a man fitting the description of a man seen with Stride was seen with another woman at 1.35 then he should have been detained
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Hi Neil,

if this makes me one then i might cry!!!!!!!

Good trick!
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