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Old September 22nd, 2012, 03:33 PM   #1
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I came across this very old unanswered post of mine in the casebook archives the other day and wondered if anyone can help solve this puzzle which is still bugging me.
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I've always been fascinated by the story behind Mary Malcolm's identification of Liz stride as her sister Elizabeth Watts and her reasons for doing so. I never had a problem with the idea that Liz Stride may even have been passing herself off as Mary's sister, especially since reading in some papers that Michael Kidney said there was a resemblence between Mrs Malcolm and Elizabeth Stride.
Anyway, I'm now puzzled by something else and wonder if anyone can help me out?

In 2005 Chris Scott posted this:
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As regards Mrs. Malcolm, although I have not yet been able to trace the date of her marriage, this appears to have taken place between 1871 and 1881. In the 1871 census I have found her husband to be, Andrew Malcolm, listed as an unmarried lodger:

29 Broad Street, Golden Square, Westminster
Lodger:
Andrew Malcolm aged 22 born Glasgow - Tailor

By 1881, the two had married and were living with Mary's mother:

47 Baldwins Gardens, London
Head:
Augustine Delamare aged 73 born Middlesex - Widow - Ink maker
Son in Law:
Andrew Malcolm aged 32 born Scotland - Tailor
Mary Malcolm aged 37 born Bath - Tailoress

The 1891 census lists the two living alone:

3 Cranmer House, Fox Court, Holborn
Andrew Malcolm aged 43 born Glasgow - Tailor
Mary Malcolm aged 43 born Bath, Wiltshire - Tailoress
We know from the newspaper accounts that Mary Malcolm's husband was named Andrew and was also a tailor, so I agree with Chris that this entry seems to fit the known facts. The puzzling thing is the 1881 entry.
I've rechecked the census and Augustine Delamare was in fact a male and Mary is listed as his daughter (Andrew is listed as son in law)

Now, here's the puzzling bit. Using the newspaper account Elizabeth Stokes gave of her life also posted in the same post by Chris, I managed to trace Elizabeth Stokes back with her parents and her subsequent three marriages, first to Edward William Watts in Bristol, second to Joseph Sneller in Eastry registration district and third marriage to Joseph Stokes.
On her first marriage she married under her maiden name of Elizabeth Perren.
Using this I found her and her family living in Colerne near Chippenham Wiltshire in various census entries.
She did also have a sister Mary b 1842 as well as other siblings named in various newspaper reports that all match up as does the location mentioned.
However, Elizabeth and Mary's father's name was Aquila Perren not Augustine (or Augustus as per 1871) Delamare! And he died sometime before 1851.

Did Mary Malcolm just go around collecting waifs and strays and claiming them as family?

There must be a simple explanation, but I can't seem to find one!
I have all the census and marriage records concerning Elizabeth Perren and the family but I want to know how this Augustus Delamare fits in as Mary Malcolm's father?
Any help appreciated. Thanks.
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Could it be that Augustine Delamare was her mothers second husband?
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Could it be that Augustine Delamare was her mothers second husband?
As far as I remember off the top of my head their mother, Martha, died around the 1860s and was registered under the name Perren but I will check again.
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Augustine doesn't seem to die, does he?
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Augustine doesn't seem to die, does he?
There's a possible in 1887 in Shoreditch but 10 years too old...but how common a name can Augustus Dela/mare/more have been?!
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There is a possibility that Augustine wasn't his first name. People do sometimes use their middle names on the census. But I've had a look for him, and can't seem to find a likely candidate.

I have him in 1871, as Augustus, but he's with a servant, so no help there.
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There is a possibility that Augustine wasn't his first name. People do sometimes use their middle names on the census. But I've had a look for him, and can't seem to find a likely candidate.

I have him in 1871, as Augustus, but he's with a servant, so no help there.
Yes, I had 1871 too, I thought he was an artist before that,but maybe there are two.Thanks Robert.
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