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Old April 25th, 2013, 06:40 AM   #11
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Yeah, that's what I think. If I got the right one in 91 she was only 16.

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I think you must have the right one. I only had a brief look-the ones at #6 Jesmond in 81 are probably related somehow but not the parents of Rosina I would think?
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I think you must have the right one. I only had a brief look-the ones at #6 Jesmond in 81 are probably related somehow but not the parents of Rosina I would think?
Hi Debs,

I think they might be related, even though as we know it's a very common name, but the only doubt I would have about the 91 one is that the son Ernest is not on there, but I haven't really looked for him yet.

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Hi Rob,
In 1893 Rosina Lydia Smith, age 18 of 164 East Street married Frederick Henry Maber age 26 in St Marks Walworth, Newington. Rosina's father's name is given as Charles Smith deceased.Checking the marriages-there's a marriage between a Charles Smith and a Georgiana Champyness in Croydon (where Rosina was born) in 1872. There's also a birth of a Rosina Lydia Smith in Croydon in Dec qtr 1874.
So, Rosina was probably 14 in Sept. 1889-a good ten years younger than the youngest age possible shown by the medical evidence found during post mortem.
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In 1893 Rosina Lydia Smith, age 18 of 164 East Street married Frederick Henry Maber age 26 in St Marks Walworth, Newington. Rosina's father's name is given as Charles Smith deceased.Checking the marriages-there's a marriage between a Charles Smith and a Georgiana Champyness in Croydon (where Rosina was born) in 1872. There's also a birth of a Rosina Lydia Smith in Croydon in Dec qtr 1874.
So, Rosina was probably 14 in Sept. 1889-a good ten years younger than the youngest age possible shown by the medical evidence found during post mortem.
Thanks Debs,

Must be our girl. East Street was next to Jesmond Street and Elstead Street.
If I remember correctly I think I came across a Rosina Smith who was a murder victim. Not the same one just the same name.

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Hi Rob, great work. Thanks for the notes. So the report I found from July 1888 might have actually read age 13 then, if it's the same Rosina Smith. Whoever heard of a 13 year old cashing bad checks though. And working as a nursemaid.

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Hi Rob, great work. Thanks for the notes. So the report I found from July 1888 might have actually read age 13 then, if it's the same Rosina Smith. Whoever heard of a 13 year old cashing bad checks though. And working as a nursemaid.

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Hi Tom,

I should think it is two different Rosina Smith's. Bridgewater is on the other side of the country to London.

This is Rosina from April 1888

Lloyds Weekly News, Sunday 14 April 1889
01 Rosina Smith Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper Sunday 14 April 1889.jpg

And I did wonder about this one until I found out her age.
The Pall Mall Gazette, Wednesday 14 September 1892
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Thanks, Rob. At least we all now know who WASN'T the torso!

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