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Old September 28th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #1
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Hello All. It is hoped that I can soon do more filming relating to Liz Stride's murder.

I would be delighted to entertain suggestions at this point. Please include whether or not your scenario includes BS man, where and when she met her assailant, scarf involvement, how cut, etc.

Jeff Leahy has already helped on this score by asking for a headlong fall. Will try to incorporate that into the pre-existing agenda.

Thanks.

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Old September 28th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #2
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Hi Lynn,
sounds interesting, what specifically is it you are doing and therefore asking? Is it various scenarios?

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Old September 28th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #3
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Hello Jennifer. Thanks.

I am looking to re-enact various theories relating to Liz's murder. I am trying to take into account the cachous, scarf, body position and so on.

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Best of luck with this, Lynn.

I'm biased because it's a personal theory but i'd like to see a version were BS man is nothing more than a violent drunk, and Schwartz's second man (Pipeman) is in fact the killer.

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That's interesting .I've always wondered how far bs and pm were to each other and tothe other side of the street ,I guess visualise ing this is helpful
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Hello Adam. Thanks.

So, something like:

1. He's lighting his pipe.

2. He runs off with Schwartz.

3. He eventually returns and kills Liz?

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Yeah right.
Someone takes off after an altercation and then returns to the scene not knowing if the cops are on the way or not and kills the woman.

Hey Lynn,

I could provide the horse for the Diemshitz part and might even come up with a small wagon. Don't know what if would prove either way though, but I'm a little familiar with reenactments.
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Hello Cris. Thanks--and thanks for the offer.

Any ideas about sequencing? Glad to hear and try them out.

I must first add a close up for my scenario, including the scarf's knot and how the scarf was cut.

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Hi all,

Jen:

It gets made difficult because there are differing versions but I do think that Schwartz must have run straight past Pipeman after he crossed the street to avoid the altercation between Liz and BS man, and then Pipeman followed Scwhartz.

Lynn:

Basically, yes. The theory is that Stride was never supposed to be the victim, it was an opportunistic killing. When he saw BS man attack her, he saw an opening. So he follows Schwartz to make sure he's gone, then he returns to the scene in order to feign sympathy for Liz who had just been attacked, after BS man has left the scene as well.

In doing so, he leads her around into the passageway and thus commits his crime. Being that it was not so well near thought out as his other murders, it doesn't come off as planned.

But yes, that's the crux of the theory if you'd like to include that.

Cris:

So you prefer the violent drunk as the murderer - the one who will openly attack a woman on the street? That's not how Jack worked, Cris. Take a look at any of the other murders, witnesses repeatedly describe a calm, amiable conversation going on between the soon-to-be victim and her man. The Stride scene was clearly not that.

Anyhow, that's for another thread, as this is for Lynn's work.

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Hello Adam. Thanks for that. Most helpful.

This is the sort of thing I am seeking, so let's make this precise.

After PM returns, Liz is near the gates where she had met BSM?

Alright. PM goes to her and begins to comfort her.

I need:

1. A good pretext for her going into the yard. To have a word perhaps?

2. They walk into the yard heading west and are facing that way. Liz's body position indicates that either:

i) she were walking out of the yard

or

ii) facing east when she died.

We need to get them to turn 180 degrees whilst he positions himself behind her.

3. Is this a good time for the cachous to come out? Did he offer them to her as a gift? Is it at this point that, distracted by preparing to consume one, he insinuates himself behind her and to the west?

Let me know so I can take account of your view properly.

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