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Old January 1st, 2014, 09:25 PM   #1
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Default S'pose they were posed?

I believe Gareth has suggested discussing this and if it has been discussed, its been a long while...
So, simply put, were some of the victims in the Whitechapel murders posed by their killer for say... effect, or was their final position merely the result of the injuries inflicted without any thought or care about how the victims were found afterward.

What da ya think?
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Old January 1st, 2014, 09:42 PM   #2
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Cris:

Personally, I don't know if we can ascertain whether the victims were posed with absolute certainty. Some certainly look as if they were left on display...and yet, it might be as Gareth Williams has said, the natural way in which we would expect them to be found.

I do think the way MacKenzie was found is a nudge towards the Ripper killing her.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 09:50 PM   #3
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Hello Cris. Thanks for starting this thread.

I see no posing. So far as I know, no two were the same. Kate, for example had one leg up and one down.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:14 PM   #4
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My contention is that it is a reasonable suggestion that they may have been posed. Of course we cannot know for sure.
However the Nichols murder is the telling exception. Her legs were together and her wounds covered. If they were all left in the position they just ended up in, what is the explanation for Nichols' circumstances?
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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:42 PM   #5
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Just why were Nichols clothes put back over her wounds.
Did Cross rearrange her clothing before Paul got there to try disguise his handywork or was it someone else?
I for one can't get my head around it.
If you were the murderer, you wouldn't bother to waste time rearranging the womans clothing when you can hear folks approaching, instinct would tell you to run, get away quick sticks.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:45 PM   #6
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Hi Lynn, Cris, Edward, Howard, et al.

This might be old style thinking perhaps, but I have always had the impression that the intention was to shock, particularly with Chapman, Eddowes, and Kelly. Just consider the way MJK was posed, yes I do think she was posed for maximum effect, that Bowyer saw when he looked through the window. To slaughter a woman on a street or a well used backyard seems in itself shocking, so it would seem to me that was part of the idea. He knew what he was doing.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:49 PM   #7
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Hi Lynn, Cris, Edward, Howard, et al.

This might be old style thinking perhaps, but I have always had the impression that the intention was to shock, particularly with Chapman, Eddowes, and Kelly. Just consider the way MJK was posed, yes I do think she was posed for maximum effect, that Bowyer saw when he looked through the window. To slaughter a woman on a street or a well used backyard seems in itself shocking, so it would seem to me that was part of the idea. He knew what he was doing.

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No question of Kelly being posed Chris G. I fully agree with you. Either that or her arm had a spasm and leaped across her empty torso.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 11:00 PM   #8
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Who knows if the bodies were moved or not.
The women could have been turned over or moved by a number of people including the police.
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Who knows if the bodies were moved or not.
The women could have been turned over or moved by a number of people including the police.
That's very true, String. Or someone found her before Cross and Paul.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:57 AM   #10
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No deliberate posing, there simply wasn't the time in most of the murders. Especially Mitre Square, he was lucky to get away with it as it is.

However, some of the murder locations may have been especially chosen for the sake of getting a bigger reaction out of the locals...

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