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Old January 2nd, 2014, 12:46 PM   #21
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Hello (again) Tim.

"No question of Kelly being posed Chris G. I fully agree with you. Either that or her arm had a spasm and leaped across her empty torso."

Or perhaps was in the bloody way and was pushed OUT of his way.

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Or perhaps she had an itchy rib.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:52 PM   #22
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Paul was the one who did the decency pulling.
"Decency pulling" = masturbating with the doors locked and your eyes shut
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:02 PM   #23
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"Decency pulling" = masturbating with the doors locked and your eyes shut
Eyes shut? is that to prevent the blindness?
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:26 PM   #24
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Hello Christer. Thanks.

"But not mentioning that there seems to have been an earlier pulling down of the clothes.

More senseless, if you ask me."

What is senseless about Victorian prudishness?

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Old January 2nd, 2014, 07:42 PM   #25
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Hello Christer. Thanks.

"But not mentioning that there seems to have been an earlier pulling down of the clothes.

More senseless, if you ask me."

What is senseless about Victorian prudishness?

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Hi Lynn,

Christer seems to be suggesting that the Ripper pulled Nichols dress down over her abdomen, which he may have done.

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Old January 2nd, 2014, 08:06 PM   #26
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This is getting unnecessarily complicated.

The suggestion is that the killer of Nichols (or as some seem to prefer it, the near-decapitator/disemboweller of Nichols) deliberately covered the abdominal wounds.
The abdominal wounds were certainly covered when Lechmere and Paul were touching the body.
The dress was over her knees showing her legs (according to Lechmere), but below her stomach (according to Paul).
Paul certainly tried to pull the dress down, but it wouldn’t come down properly and he was only partially successful - which was the situation that confronted PC Neil some minutes later.

The culprit may have covered the wounds because he was disturbed and did not want it to be immediately apparent, or blatantly apparent anyway, that Nichols had been brutally murdered.
The suggestion is that he may have wanted to give himself time to get away before the alarm was raised or may have wanted to bluff his way out of it if the culprit was indeed Lechmere.

If it is taken that the culprit wanted to display his victims, then the lack of display with respect to Nichols suggests interruption.
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Hello Tom. Thanks.

Actually, I can live with her assailant pulling her clothes down.

Of course, no sane man would do that. (heh-heh)

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Old January 2nd, 2014, 09:11 PM   #28
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The culprit may have covered the wounds because he was disturbed and did not want it to be immediately apparent, or blatantly apparent anyway, that Nichols had been brutally murdered.
The suggestion is that he may have wanted to give himself time to get away before the alarm was raised or may have wanted to bluff his way out of it if the culprit was indeed Lechmere.
I also think so. A disemboweled body would certainly attract attention faster then a unresponsive person who could just as easily have been drunk.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 10:50 PM   #29
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Did Paul put a timescale on when he actually saw Cross/Lechmere stood over the body?

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Old January 3rd, 2014, 10:12 AM   #30
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At the inquest Paul said he left home just before 3.45 and in an earlier press report said the incident with Lechmere happened at 3.45 am.
He claimed he was late for work so he must have known the time reasonably accurately, unless he was lying and he wasn't late for work.
He lived a couple of minutes walk from Brown's Stable yard, and about 15 minutes walk from his workplace.

But be careful. At the inquest Paul said he saw Lechmere in the middle of the road rather than 'over the body'.
Although in the earlier press report Paul stated he saw Lechmere 'standing where the woman was' which can easily translate to 'over the body'.
And the middle of the road would only have been a few yards from the body.
These minor details lead to all sorts of obtuse rows.
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