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Old May 12th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #1
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On this thread, Forums members are encouraged to offer their views on what areas of case study Mr. Sugden's "The Complete History Of Jack The Ripper" has been the most influential and how he influenced the reader/researcher.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #2
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If anyone has a copy of Mr. Sugden's photo ( the only one, as far as I can recall, that most of us have seen )....please send it to me so I can post it in the threadstarter.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #3
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Not being a Ripperologist, researcher, author or academic, I enjoyed his no nonsense, straight forward style of writing. His stating of facts and few opinions make his work unique.

It makes me wonder how he managed to keep under the radar.

Well done Philip.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 12:35 AM   #4
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On Saturday, the 17th, I'll post some of Mr. Sugden's quotes on this thread.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 04:17 AM   #5
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INTEREST IN THE Jack the Ripper murders is probably greater today than at any time since the killer himself actually stalked the streets of London’s East End. In recent years we have been all but deluged in a swelling tide of books, articles, films, plays and comics inspired by the case, and aficionados can now debate their theories and exchange views via Internet sites, at annual conferences and in the columns of specialist magazines (the latest of no less than five devoted to the murders was launched in Australia in 2000).
Inevitably, perhaps, this vast outpouring of Ripperana has produced a great deal more heat than light. Partly this is because the archival sources, thoroughly explored in this book eight years ago, have now been picked over many times. Partly, too, it reflects the commercial potential of anything to do with the Ripper, which continually spawns catchpenny solutions to the mystery, badly researched, ill-considered, and, in the worst cases, flagrantly dishonest. The modern Ripperologist has nothing to learn from Munchhausen and de Rougemont.

Philip Sugden, The Complete History of Jack The Ripper
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Old May 17th, 2014, 04:53 AM   #6
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By the way, folks....if any of the upcoming quotes inspire you to make a comment ( as many as possible ), please do so.
I know the following will raise an eyebrow or two from a couple of, maybe more, outstanding researchers.
Not everything Mr. Sugden posited was above criticism....

As the only major suspect against whom any direct evidence was alleged Kosminski is of considerable interest. Fundamentally the case against him stands on two legs, one an identification by a witness, the other the reminiscences of Sir Robert Anderson, neither sufficient to support so weighty an accusation.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 05:54 AM   #7
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Exonerating Ostrog was a worthy exercise in itself, of course, but the results of the inquiry have much wider implications. They throw considerable doubt upon the value of Macnaghten’s report, long used both as a source of general information on the murders and as a platform from which to launch accusations against Druitt and Kosminski as well as Ostrog. Some of the things Macnaghten wrote about Ostrog have checked out. The Police Gazette notices prove that he was regarded by the police as a serious Ripper suspect and that attempts were made to establish his whereabouts at the time of the murders.

It is also important to remember that the British police knew nothing of his sojourn in France until the summer of 1894, several months after Macnaghten had penned his report. Having said all that, we would still have to conclude that Macnaghten comes out of the Ostrog evidence very badly.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 06:07 AM   #8
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Hello Howard. Thanks for posting this.

The quote in #6 looks cogent.

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( George )Chapman matches the little we know or can reasonably deduce about the Ripper rather better than the other principal suspects. One always gets the feeling with him, too, that there was much more to him than met the eye. H. L. Adam, who was present at Chapman’s arrest in 1902 and who sat on the bench during one of his appearances at Southwark Police Court, caught a glimpse of that secret Chapman: ‘I got the impression that he was a particularly callous murderer. When most people in court were horrified he appeared to be amused. On one occasion, while a sarcastic smile was spreading over his face, he caught sight of me watching him. Immediately he straightened his face and assumed a serious expression.’

That Chapman committed crimes of which we have no present knowledge I can well believe. That he was Jack the Ripper is another matter. The main difficulty with the Chapman theory is that because he did not become a suspect until 1903 no accurate information as to his whereabouts at the times of the Ripper murders could ever be procured.
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LC, all......
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