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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:56 PM   #1
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Two brief excerpts from the following newspaper...

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September 14, 1889
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 07:00 AM   #2
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Has any other county, in any period of time, had itīs surface strewn by dead bodies, placed there by hoaxers? Sweden, where I live, seems not to have this odd tradition...
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 08:38 AM   #3
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Christer:

Just to clarify, the 'hoax' is only in reference to the Pinchin Street Torso.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 08:48 AM   #4
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Christer:

Just to clarify, the 'hoax' is only in reference to the Pinchin Street Torso.
I know that quite well, Howard, but that was not the only hoax involving bodies or parts of them that was suspected in this era, was it?
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 08:48 AM   #5
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Two brief excerpts from the following newspaper...

Nottinghamshire Guardian
September 14, 1889
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and.........................

Now I suggested this some time ago but again everyone wants to put all these found torsos down to homicides. That may not be the case time for a rethink. I am sure Debs will add her input to this
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Thank you for the clarification, Christer....
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Now I suggested this some time ago but again everyone wants to put all these found torsos down to homicides. That may not be the case time for a rethink. I am sure Debs will add her input to this
You are relying on this newspaper article to be telling the truth then?

This is exactly the type of 'gossipy' newspaper report that cannot be relied upon. However, if you check the newspaper inquest reporting, which most reasonable people would class as a primary source, you will see that Dr Philips stated that there was no reason to think that the person who dismembered the corpse had human anatomical knowledge.
Just for the record too, both the Pinchin St victim and Elizabeth Jackson's "official" inquest verdicts were 'willful murder by person or persons unknown'

Trevor, you need to practice what you preach and stick to official and primary sources to support your own theories.
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Debs...

You're magnificent.

We humans take pride in having the unique ability of perspective. Unfortunately for most, it is 80% presumption and maybe 20% comprehension.

That is certainly not the case with you.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 05:02 AM   #9
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You are relying on this newspaper article to be telling the truth then?

This is exactly the type of 'gossipy' newspaper report that cannot be relied upon. However, if you check the newspaper inquest reporting, which most reasonable people would class as a primary source, you will see that Dr Philips stated that there was no reason to think that the person who dismembered the corpse had human anatomical knowledge.
Just for the record too, both the Pinchin St victim and Elizabeth Jackson's "official" inquest verdicts were 'willful murder by person or persons unknown'

I am aware of the verdicts but we have discussed the issues as to how they came to those verdicts before and again I am not going to go over old ground.

Trevor, you need to practice what you preach and stick to official and primary sources to support your own theories.
No I am not relying on the newspaper. I am applying common sense and logic with regards to the fact that bodies and body parts were available from mortuaries for medical research.

It was then the responsibility for those acquiring bodies or body parts to dispose of them. In the case of bodies and in order to avoid burial costs or disposal costs what better way than to parcel the parts up and in this case leave them somewhere or throw them in the thames.

So tell me how you think bodies and parts acquired in such fashion were disposed of then ?
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Trevor:

Would bodies originally taken from medical facilities be found clothed with identifying marks on them later on ?
Of course not.
Its almost as if its being suggested that the bodies were first 'undressed' for their use/examining...and then redressed and dumped into the river, which in itself was risky for above board medical practitioners.

The white cloth the limb was wrapped in was found to be a portion of an item of ladies underclothing, the waistband of which had the name L.E. Fisher written along it. Fastened to another portion of the material was a piece of tweed seemingly torn from the right breast area of a lady's long Ulster coat.

Read Deb's story on Elizabeth Jackson, here :

http://www.casebook.org/victims/jackson.html
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