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Old August 3rd, 2014, 06:58 PM   #21
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Even the press in the article quoted came up with that suggestion isnt this thread about a hoax?
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Not about a definite hoax, as in that certainty was established, but whether it was or wasn't a hoax, without certainty.
Actually, no one ever knew for certain what to make of the Pinchin Street Torso....and I dare say we still don't.

Exactly but Debra has it in her head that all these body parts were connected as a result of a murder (premeditated) when there are clear grounds to suggest that they all may not have been so.

Was it the remains of a (premeditated) murder victim ?
Was it a victim of the same fellow who had murdered all or most of all of the women we normally attribute to Jack The Ripper ?
Was it the remains of a botched operation of sorts ( no premeditation ) ?
Was it committed by another killer ( not the Ripper ) ?
Or was it a body removed from a medical facility by a couple of jerks...taken to the area where a lot of murders had occurred....and left there just to see the reaction ?

Years ago, I posted an article predating the WM....where some jerk students went down one of the streets in West Philly, leaving body parts in postal boxes and on the top steps of the porches...they did it for a joke.
Would med students in London do something like that in 1888 with an entire torso ?
It wasn't a whole torso was it no head and no legs !

Was it not suggested that the Lusk kidney was a medical student prank ?

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Old August 3rd, 2014, 06:59 PM   #22
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Thing is, How bodies used for medical specimens were recognizable to other experts as such, because of certain treatments the bodies underwent before students got their hands on them.
Not necessarily.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:00 PM   #23
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Regretfully they tell us (Cuckoo, cuckoo)
But firmly they compel us (Cuckoo, cuckoo)
To say goodbye . . .
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:12 PM   #24
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Exactly but Debra has it in her head that all these body parts were connected as a result of a murder (premeditated) when there are clear grounds to suggest that they all may not have been so.
Oh, has she?! F for reading and comprehension skills.

Sorry, Hebbert and Bond are to blame for that idea- you know- the two fully qualified doctors (Bond a hospital surgeon) who were there, one an expert in forensic medicine, the other a lecturer in anatomy at the Westminster Hopsital ,after performing autopsies and writing extensively on the four dismembered victims....officially.
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It wasn't a whole torso was it no head and no legs !
G- for anatomy!
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:30 PM   #26
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Have no fears I will be leaving. I do not intend to continue to keep arguing with the same few people on the same old topics. It is clear that no matter what is presented to them they are not prepared to look at things in a different light.

I have said before those who sit here and on the other site day after day 24/7 365 days a year have clearly become brainwashed into accepting what has gone before without question, and when questions are now asked you all close ranks in an attempt to protect the old theory.

But all of you are never going to change. If jack the Ripper walked into a police station today and confessed. There would be those on here who would still come up with some excuse or explanation for not believing him.

As you have seen not all posters on here and on the other forum are so ready to stick with the old theories. The same applies to the general public who are now willing to consider new aspects of the case and that can only be a good thing.
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A torso is a disarticulated body, sans head and extremities.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:32 PM   #28
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Have no fears I will be leaving. I do not intend to continue to keep arguing with the same few people on the same old topics. It is clear that no matter what is presented to them they are not prepared to look at things in a different light.

I have said before those who sit here and on the other site day after day 24/7 365 days a year have clearly become brainwashed into accepting what has gone before without question, and when questions are now asked you all close ranks in an attempt to protect the old theory.

But all of you are never going to change. If jack the Ripper walked into a police station today and confessed. There would be those on here who would still come up with some excuse or explanation for not believing him.

As you have seen not all posters on here and on the other forum are so ready to stick with the old theories. The same applies to the general public who are now willing to consider new aspects of the case and that can only be a good thing.
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But all of you are never going to change. If jack the Ripper walked into a police station today and confessed. There would be those on here who would still come up with some excuse or explanation for not believing him.
Well yes, as he would be at least 150 years old there would be questions about whether he still had the faculties to make such a confession.
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If jack the Ripper walked into a police station today and confessed. There would be those on here who would still come up with some excuse or explanation for not believing him.
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Well yes, as he would be at least 150 years old there would be questions about whether he still had the faculties to make such a confession.
Hi Jon,

In addition to that, I think it would be quite alarming if the police were to accept uncritically any confession they receive. We all know that people sometimes make false confessions: because they're psychotic; or because they're depressed and experiencing feelings of guilt and a desire to be punished; or because they have poorly integrated personalities and have a desire to seek attention; or because female officers told them that they would have sex with them in return for explicit murder fantasies; or whatever.

It's a complex problem which necessitates a complex solution.

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