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Old September 28th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #21
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That surprises me about Elizabeth's hands although maybe their definition of well cared for hands is different to what we would think today as despite also saying this about the Pinchin St torso they thought that she could be a factory worker?! Which seems a bit of a contradiction!
I should confess here that I'm quite a bit behind with the Ripper case as I haven't been able to buy any new books for a good few years due to health and mobility problems preventing me from going into town and I can't buy them online as have no bank account/credit card etc - this is one of the reasons I've signed up here so that I can get up to date...so please be patient folks!
Yes, I think you are right. A well kept working class hand was probably just a clean one in the eyes of the better classes. That the newspapers even thought to suggest a better class of woman just by the shape of the legs seems pretty odd to us now-what do working class legs look like?!

Nice to have you here anyway, Cicatrice-it's always nice to have someone interested in talking about the torso murders.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #22
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The copies of the Infirmary records aren't very clear but the basics are this:

St Georges in the East Workhouse Infirmary

Admission 9 September 1889

Lydia Hark, born 1849, no reason given for admission.

Date of Discharge 13 September 1889.

There is a possibility that this is not Lydia Hart but someone with a very similar name, but I think it is her.

There is an 1888 entry for Lydia Hart born 1849.

The St George in the East Workhouse Infirmary.

Date of admission 16 April 1888, presumed malady: Fistula. Date of Discharge 18 April 1888. Age is given as 39.

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Thanks, Rob. I remember it now.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #23
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Cicatriz or Scar was the Comanche Chief in 'The Searchers'.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #24
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Mine and Phils is one of them Got the Infirmary record someone. See if I can dig it out.
Rob-Yours and Phil's is one of the ones that does mention the later research that showed Lydia was still alive-unlike the other two (and more recent) books I mentioned, which don't.
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Rob-Yours and Phil's is one of the ones that does mention the later research that showed Lydia was still alive-unlike the other two (and more recent) books I mentioned, which don't.
I suppose I should try and finish my Pinchin Street article.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 05:26 AM   #26
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Of all the murder sites (of suggested ripper killings) the Pinchin Street arch is probably the most intact. Like most such arches it has been enclosed to serve as storerooms, car workshops etc.
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Of all the murder sites (of suggested ripper killings) the Pinchin Street arch is probably the most intact. Like most such arches it has been enclosed to serve as storerooms, car workshops etc.
Only the exterior. The interior has been completely revamped into an exhibition room with a raised wooden floor. The walls and roof have been covered over. Very disappointing when I went in there. The only thing you can take away from a visit is how big the inside is. An impression you can't get from standing outside it.

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I suppose I should try and finish my Pinchin Street article.
Yes, you should!
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Old September 29th, 2014, 10:32 AM   #29
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Yes, you should!
It's more or less done, just needs a good going through and tarting up if you fancy it
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Old September 29th, 2014, 10:46 AM   #30
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Hello Rob.

"just needs a good going through and tarting up"

Hmmm. (heh-heh)

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