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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:20 PM   #1
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Thread set up to list the author's position on a wide range of Case related issues.

To begin with, Robinson, in contrast to what some may believe, states that the police presence was not augmented as claimed by Scotland Yard...and in fact remained virtually the same from the Chapman murder to November 4th....an eight week period.

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Date # of Constables

Sept 1 468

Sept 8 469

Sept 15 470

Sept 22 469

Sept 29 469

Oct. 6 469

Oct. 13 471

Oct. 20 471

Oct. 28 471

Nov. 4 512

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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:27 PM   #2
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In opposition to what many believe, Robinson states that there were grapes and a grapestalk at Berner Street.......and lists 5 people who stated they did.

PC Henry Lamb
Fanny Mortimer
Louis Diemschutz
Isaac Kozebrodski
Walter Dew
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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:39 PM   #3
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Mr. Robinson's position on the condition of Catherine Eddowes ear is that it was cut off.
In his book, he includes this sketch to support his view as well as the comment by Dr. Brown that Catherine's auricle had been obliquely cut.

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Old October 21st, 2015, 06:09 PM   #4
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Just to be clear, I find some of his ideas really intriguing.
The purpose of the thread isn't to belittle him or ridicule him...not at all.
In fact, if you care to bring up points in favor of any of his ideas, please do so, as I have already ( That the Goulston Street wall writing ought not to have been called graffiti in the first place).
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Old October 21st, 2015, 06:25 PM   #5
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I take it that Mr. Robinson hasn't seen Foster's sketches? Someone who actually did see the body?

If the killer had wanted to cut off one or both ears to send to the police, he could have easily done it cleanly, not partially...considering he was able to remove a kidney and uterus and clip the eylids.

It never ceases to amaze me how even the little real evidence available gets misinterpreted simply because someone has a theory to peddle.
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In opposition to what many believe, Robinson states that there were grapes and a grapestalk at Berner Street.......and lists 5 people who stated they did.

PC Henry Lamb
Fanny Mortimer
Louis Diemschutz
Isaac Kozebrodski
Walter Dew
The grapes stalk tale is an example of a rumor mill spawned in the confusion of the moment. When placed under oath, Diemshitz said he saw no grapes. Lamb testified the same.

What is Robinson's source for Lamb?
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Thanks Cris..
Robinson has seen Foster's sketch.


Let's try the grapes....
Robinson opines that researchers dismiss the grape story because there were no witnesses who claimed to have seen them or that no evidence of either was brought up in court.

Robinson states that among the 7 ( not 5 as I previously posted) who are reported to have seen grapes or stalks...none were called to the witness box to tell Baxter what they saw in her hand ( besides the cachous in the other hand).
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Cuz:

Lamb's recollections were recorded by the Daily Telegraph. Mortimer and Kozebrodski in the DT as well.

Diemschutz's thoughts were recorded by the Evening News.

Among the newspapers who reported the grape story independent of one another were...the Times, The Evening News, The Daily News, Globe, Evening Standard, Morning Advertiser, and Daily Telegraph.

Cris.....Where did you find or hear that Diemschutz changed his story at the Inquest ? In the Times account of the Inquest, he doesn't mention anything relative to the grapes such as he remarked to the press.
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Cris:

Ditto with PC Lamb.
Where did you see it stated Lamb denied seeing the grapes or even mentioning the grapes ?
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Cris.....Where did you find or hear that Diemschutz changed his story at the Inquest ? In the Times account of the Inquest, he doesn't mention anything relative to the grapes such as he remarked to the press.
From Diemshitz's testimony, the Morning Advertizer Oct 2--

"She was lying on her side, with her face towards the wall of the club. I could not say whether the body was on its side, but her face was. As soon as the police came I ceased to take any interest in the matter. I did not notice in what position her hands were. I only noticed when the doctor came up he undid the first buttons of her dress next the neck, and put his hand in. He then told the constable that she was quite warm yet. He told the constable to put his hand in and feel the body, and he did so..."

If he did not notice the position of her hands, it would be difficult to notice grapes I would think. Everyone knew the stories in the press at that point. Now, under oath, Diemshitz says as soon as the police came he ceased to take notice. This is a change from the press reports.
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