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Old October 21st, 2015, 08:56 PM   #11
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Ditto with PC Lamb.
Where did you see it stated Lamb denied seeing the grapes or even mentioning the grapes ?
From PC Lamb's testimony as transcribed by the Daily Telegraph Oct, 3---

Coroner] Up to this time had you touched the body? - I had put my hand on the face.
[Coroner] Was it warm? - Slightly. I felt the wrist, but could not discern any movement of the pulse. I then blew my whistle for assistance.
[Coroner] Did you observe how the deceased was lying? - She was lying on her left side, with her left hand on the ground.
[Coroner] Was there anything in that hand? - I did not notice anything. The right arm was across the breast. Her face was not more than five or six inches away from the club wall.


He did not notice anything.
There was a reason why Baxter asked that question.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 09:06 PM   #12
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Thanks for taking the time, Cris....

This is what is suspicious to Robinson.....that both men, independent of each other and to different newspapers ( In Lamb's case, Lamb saw the grapes and told the DT...and then tells the DT her hand was empty two days later) originally tell the press one thing and then another.
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Well, he wasn't telling the DT the second time, but the coroner, under oath at the inquest. The DT just reported it.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 09:17 PM   #14
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Exactly, Cris....it was in coroner's court...not on Berner Street. Thanks !

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Old October 21st, 2015, 09:18 PM   #15
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'She (Polly Nichols) had her throat cut across, her entrails hauled out and a worthless ring purloined from her finger.'

Her entrails certainly weren't hauled out.
I believe the ring marks on her fingers were deemed to be old and the rings long gone.

Robinson also repeatedly states that the victims metal buttons were removed - but Polly Nichols had metal buttons on her Ulster which are mentioned among her possessions.
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Hello Howard,

Re: Police numbers, this is something I've been asking about, but as yet nobody has confirmed. We know police were drafted in, PC Long, being a prime example. I guessing (until somebody can confirm or deny it) that the draftees were not counted in the official "H" division numbers. This is something Robinson should have checked before publishing the claim.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 11:36 PM   #17
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Re: Grapes, I'll leave that one for Tom W, who has extensively covered this issue.

Robinson says some interesting things and some utterly stupid things.
Prime amongst them, that Diemshitz was party to the Masonic conspiracy deliberately lying about the grapes at the inquest.
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Re: Ear, since the sketch he used shows the "compass marks" are missing,
I'm surprised he would claim the picture was accurate.

For me, at least, there is little doubt the ear was not severed in it's entirety, as per the doctors reports and official drawings.

That said, it doesn't invalidate the general point he was making about the letter.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 04:47 AM   #19
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This is what is suspicious to Robinson.....that both men, independent of each other and to different newspapers ( In Lamb's case, Lamb saw the grapes and told the DT...and then tells the DT her hand was empty two days later) originally tell the press one thing and then another.
Just out of interest, has the report mentioning grapes been omitted from the extracts from the Daily Telegraph on Casebook? I see a letter published on 6 October referring to it, but I can't find the report itself.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 05:40 AM   #20
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Chris:
I don't see it either. It might have never been there ( Casebook's October 1st article in the DT ) in the first place.
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