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Old October 21st, 2016, 11:24 PM   #1
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Default The John Cleary Story & Nathaniel Hawthorne

Looking through Hawthorne's tales, I can't pinpoint which one the report is referring to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Hawthorne

If you know, please share.


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Old October 21st, 2016, 11:56 PM   #2
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"Mr. Higginbotham's Catastrophe", one of Hawthorne's "Twice Told Tales" is a little bit like this. No murder is actually committed in that story but it very nearly is. The murder is prevented by a peddler who spreads the tale of Mr. Higginbotham's murder before he is actually attacked. There are some complex twists and turns and it's a pretty good short story.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 12:03 AM   #3
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Good of you to mention that, Anna !

https://archive.org/stream/twicetold...e/148/mode/2up
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Good one, Howard. Had not seen that reference to Hawthorne and John Cleary before.
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Come again - exactly what happened thirty years before the Pinchin Street torso business? Was it fiction or real...?
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It was a fictional tale, included in Hawthorne's Twice Told Tales.

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Old October 22nd, 2016, 10:45 AM   #7
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Come again - exactly what happened thirty years before the Pinchin Street torso business? Was it fiction or real...?
I think the story I referenced is pure fiction. Some of Hawthorne's stories had a slight basis in fact, but not much. This is the only one of his stories that I know, that has a general theme matching the short news article. There is no actual murder in the story I mention.

Put another way, I am unaware of torso murders, true of fictionalized in early U.S. history and that was the time when Hawthorne wrote. I doubt also that Hawthorne could have written about such, or if society would have accepted something so graphic.
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Howard, Anna - many thanks!
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I think the story I referenced is pure fiction. Some of Hawthorne's stories had a slight basis in fact, but not much. This is the only one of his stories that I know, that has a general theme matching the short news article. There is no actual murder in the story I mention.

Put another way, I am unaware of torso murders, true of fictionalized in early U.S. history and that was the time when Hawthorne wrote. I doubt also that Hawthorne could have written about such, or if society would have accepted something so graphic.
Thanks for alerting me to that great story Anna/How. I don't think I'd ever read anything by Hawthorne before, although I listened to a BBC adaptation of The Scarlet Letter a few years ago. I'll have to look out for a copy of Twice Told Tales.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 09:00 PM   #10
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18th post on this thread will show you Hawthorne's backyard in Salem.


http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread....8221#post28221


His son Julian, also an author, wrote about the Whitechapel Murders.
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