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The Crime Scenes Lacking any forensic sciences as a tool,we're as well off as the contemporary detective was . That won't deter us,as we continue to investigate those scenes of madness....or calculated acts...

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Old January 12th, 2018, 07:18 PM   #11
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Good bump up, Anna....

It would be interesting if, one day, a list or even the name(s) of a few after hours pubs surfaced.
The list of non-after-hours pubs would probably be somewhat smaller.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 08:38 PM   #12
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Gary:

What I meant were clubs/joints that weren't legally supposed to be open, like in Uncle Joe's basement which served drinks up until dawn. I'm sure London had them.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 08:58 PM   #13
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What I meant were clubs/joints that weren't legally supposed to be open, like in Uncle Joe's basement which served drinks up until dawn. I'm sure London had them.
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I think private members' clubs were allowed to serve alcohol 24/7. Pubs were restricted to certain hours, but once the 'guvnor' locked the doors it was like he was dispensing drinks to his mates - provided no cash was seen to change hands. From my experience, at a later date obviously, those 'mates' were often members of Her Maj's Police force.

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Old January 12th, 2018, 09:29 PM   #14
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Gary :

Thanks for that..

Would there have been after-hours joints that Eddowes could have gone to...let's say right after her release up to the point she meets her murderer ?


( I have a photo of a Lower East Side , NYC, Cherry Hill dive...Cherry Hill is the neighborhood Carrie Brown was murdered in... the ceiling is like 5 ft. 6 in. or so....a real cellar)
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Old January 12th, 2018, 09:56 PM   #15
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Thanks for that..

Would there have been after-hours joints that Eddowes could have gone to...let's say right after her release up to the point she meets her murderer ?


( I have a photo of a Lower East Side , NYC, Cherry Hill dive...Cherry Hill is the neighborhood Carrie Brown was murdered in... the ceiling is like 5 ft. 6 in. or so....a real cellar)
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I don't think Kate would have had the means to gain entry to a joint thereabouts. Pubs had to let everyone in, clubs and after-hours pubs didn't. I think the Dukes Place area contained a number of Jewish clubs at the time. Would Kate, penniless, nursing a hangover, and fresh out of the Bishopshgate cells, have been such a catch that she would been welcomed into a private club?

I think it's more likely that she was hanging around in the street hoping to attract the attention of someone leaving one of the clubs with a bellyful of brandy. Probably safer and more lucrative than trying to snag a sailor in the Ratcliffe Highway.

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I agree that its pretty unlikely she'd be allowed in a private club....and probably meandered the area until she ran into the killer.
Thanks for the reply.
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I agree that its pretty unlikely she'd be allowed in a private club....and probably meandered the area until she ran into the killer.
Thanks for the reply.
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I don't imagine those 'clubs' would have been very posh, though. A room or two with a few gambling tables and a bar would have sufficed. But even so, I imagine the 'Kates' of that world would probably have hung around in the street outside rather than have been welcomed inside.

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I posted this on the GSG thread:

I've got a really interesting old book called 'Houndsditch Day by Day' by Arthur Binstead. It contains a series of tongue-in-cheek anecdotes about the (primarily Jewish) inhabitants of Houndsditch and its environs ca 1900. Some of the language might be considered offensive today, but on the whole it's quite amusing. One chapter is titled 'The Demolition of Dook's Place'. In it the characters bemoan the loss of the gambling clubs in Dukes Place, especially 'Old Sol Bergmann's':

"Old Sol Bergmann's!" prompted the prawn-peeler on the box.

"Accha Nebbish! Old Sol Bergmann's!" asserted my right-hand Hebrew, evidently with keen relish for the recollection. "And yet, mind yer, Old Sol - Uncle Sol as everybody called him - never could ha' done as he did if Dook's Place hadn't been abserlootly the sportin' centre o' the East End."

Could the ripper have chosen a more Jewish location than Mitre Square, hard by the two most prominent synagogues in London and a few steps away from the gambling dens of 'Dook's Place'?

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Thank you Gary....I hadn't seen that before.
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Hello Debs. Thanks for all this hard work and research.

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