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Le Grand of the Strand An intriguing figure within the WM...a man of dubious character...complete with a pack of alibis.

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Old February 13th, 2018, 05:00 PM   #11
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Excellent suggestion, Debra, and nice work, Jerry.

It must be her, the combination of names is too uncommon?

Even though the age is a bit off.
During the trial in June 1889 she's recorded as 30 then in march 1892 she's 27 and 4 months....not inconceivable that she'd pass herself off as five years younger.
Thanks all. Debs suggestion helped in the search and then I saw a different variation of the first name.

Amelia served 18 months in June of 1889. That puts her in prison til about February of 1891. Would the British government have deported her back to France after release, possibly?
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Like Kattrup, I think that could be her too, Jerry. In my post I put Emelia as the variant spelling in the directory but seeing the name Amelie has reminded me that was the directory name, the 'e' coming at the end and not the beginning.
I think I read she had inherited some money by 1887 so she may have gone back to France of her own accord when her sentence finished?
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Like Kattrup, I think that could be her too, Jerry. In my post I put Emelia as the variant spelling in the directory but seeing the name Amelie has reminded me that was the directory name, the 'e' coming at the end and not the beginning.
I think I read she had inherited some money by 1887 so she may have gone back to France of her own accord when her sentence finished?
If it is her, she was only 24 when she was hanging around Legrand in 1889. She died awfully young. She always seemed to me to be rather experienced in her trade.
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There was a mini biography of Demay in one newspaper that gave the year of her arrival and said that she came over to England from France in the service of a gentleman, similar to Elizabeth Stride's story.

Demay's name was on the house at Portland Place, I found this in some directories but unfortunately I lost the detail of this information.
Her name is sometimes given as Emelia and her surname as Dumay.
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From the trial in 1889 we have this statement from Allene Williams.

ALLENE WILLIAMS (Interpreted). I have known Demay nine years...

That would put her age at 15 when Williams first met her. She was a young one when she was in service to the gentleman.
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Debs,

From the trial in 1889 we have this statement from Allene Williams.

ALLENE WILLIAMS (Interpreted). I have known Demay nine years...

That would put her age at 15 when Williams first met her. She was a young one when she was in service to the gentleman.
Yes, that's true, Jerry.
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Debs,

From the trial in 1889 we have this statement from Allene Williams.

ALLENE WILLIAMS (Interpreted). I have known Demay nine years...

That would put her age at 15 when Williams first met her. She was a young one when she was in service to the gentleman.
But why assume the age on the death certificate is the correct one?

She could have lied herself younger when she returned to France.
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But why assume the age on the death certificate is the correct one?

She could have lied herself younger when she returned to France.
Very true Kattrup.
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Old February 14th, 2018, 12:27 AM   #18
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Here's another possibility (assuming she got out of prison early):

Name: Marie Emélie Demay
Death Date: 17 août 1890 (17 Aug 1890)
Death City: Vincennes
Series: Série 17 : Banlieue, 1883-1892
Source Information: Ancestry.com. Paris & Vicinity, France, Death Notices, 1860-1902 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.

There's also a long list of Amelia Demays or Marie Demays born, ca. 1859 (+/-5 years) who immigrated to the U.S. I think most of them immigrated with families, which makes most of them non-starters.

Are there surviving prison discharge records that are searchable?

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Debs,

From the trial in 1889 we have this statement from Allene Williams.

ALLENE WILLIAMS (Interpreted). I have known Demay nine years...

That would put her age at 15 when Williams first met her. She was a young one when she was in service to the gentleman.
It was not unusual for a girl of 15 or even younger to go into service in the LVP.
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Old February 14th, 2018, 08:54 AM   #20
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Not much point in speculating about her being this young when we already have 1859 as the probable birth year from court records, and unlike the death certificate, we can actually tie her to the court records.

Without a newspaper or other source tying her to the city where she died (or a picked up spouse, previously identified relative, etc.), I'd be hesitant to accept accept any particular match. She wasn't the only Amélie Marie Pourquoi/DeMay in France at the time.
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