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Suspects and Theories To date, over one hundred have been proposed...many are considered...but only one [ or was it two? ] was Jack The Ripper.

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Old July 16th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #1
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Default The Miserably Clad & Commonplace John Royal ( July 1889 )

Just a few days after the Mackenzie murder, this man, as you'll read, ran into a woman who bravely fought back and managed to live to relate her ordeal.

Royal is one of those people who surface, assault women, and are jettisoned into the mists of time...never to be heard of again.

I wonder what convinced the police that he couldn't have been responsible for more than just this attack. I say this because after a pause in the murders ( or total cessation, to be fair ) of 7 months, Mackenzie is murdered and Nora Brown survives what could have been a murder both within 4 days.
I've not been able to locate Royal's name in the Old Bailey archives.

Your opinions are most welcome.

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At first glance, it would be understandable to think that Nora Brown was just another woman taking advantage of the situation.....give me money or I'll scream 'Jack The Ripper' or 'Murder !". This occurred on several occasions ( in fact, to one man, three times ).

However, Mrs. Brown's death grip on that scarf forced Royal to rip it instead of her in order to escape....so we know that part of the story rings true.

Did Nora know him from the neighborhood ? Where did the police pick him up ?

I also know Southwark is a neighborhood across the Thames.
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I've corrected the date in the first post.

This appeared two days before on the 20th :

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Old July 16th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #4
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Just a few days after the Mackenzie murder, this man, as you'll read, ran into a woman who bravely fought back and managed to live to relate her ordeal.

Royal is one of those people who surface, assault women, and are jettisoned into the mists of time...never to be heard of again.

I wonder what convinced the police that he couldn't have been responsible for more than just this attack. I say this because after a pause in the murders ( or total cessation, to be fair ) of 7 months, Mackenzie is murdered and Nora Brown survives what could have been a murder both within 4 days.
I've not been able to locate Royal's name in the Old Bailey archives.

Your opinions are most welcome.

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If he had a knife and threatened to rip her up, it is idiocy for her to hold onto his scarf until he cut it to get away. Maybe she was desperate to get some JtR reward money but otherwise she must have attached herself firmly and closely to a man with a knife who had threatened her. That doesn't make a lot of sense. "She heard someone coming." Did SHE have an accomplice or bully nearby and is that why she was brave enough to hang onto the scarf?
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I just can't see this type of assault as being how 'Jack' began, by brandishing a knife. Of course the victim is going to scream blue murder.
I doubt the Ripper victims ever saw the knife.
Now, if this John Royal had began his attack by trying to strangle her, then there might be something to it.
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Hi Howard!

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I've not been able to locate Royal's name in the Old Bailey archives.
John Royall!

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...orley/156.html

http://jtrforums.com/showthread.php?p=184777

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Old July 17th, 2017, 04:19 AM   #7
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Thanks Karsten....

I should have said that I'd heard of him before but not what happened to him afterwards ( as in was there an Old Bailey trial).
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Old July 17th, 2017, 05:33 AM   #8
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I found this:

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../18890722.html

It seems that no charge have been made. No clue what became of him.
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