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Old January 19th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #1
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In 1907 MacNaghten wrote a confused and rambling letter to the celebrated Sims in regard to the Whitechapel Murders, in which he outlines the crimes, and then as an aside throws in Italian ice cream vendors who use knifes to clear their patch. My understanding was that the girls of the LVP liked their ginger beer and not ice cream, but what do I know eh?
But then at the end of the letter MacNaghten throws in the name of a murder victim, Devereux - or even Dowt? - and then promises Sims that there will be no more contact between them after this exchange
On the 2nd October 1888 a certain Devereux wrote a letter to the Daily Telegraph complaining of the ineffectual detective work of Scotland Yard in regard to the investigation of the Whitechapel Murders.
I reckon Le Grand of the Strand... and MacNaghten didn't have a clue.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #2
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So many years after the Macnaghten Memo was written; in 1907 NacNaghten was still a very confused police official indeed, for he is linking a case from 1887 involving the murder of Sarah Devereux by George Chapman to the later Whitechapel Murders. But George Chapman was sentenced by the Old Bailey to fifteen years penal servitude for killing Devereux wasn't he?
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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #3
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Dear Sims,

Yet another "light" in dark, & not
generally known, metropolitan spots has
flashed across my mind: --
Eyre Street Hill -- Clerkenwell -- where
there is a large colony of Italians who
are mostly ice-cream vendors by day,
&, not infrequently, stabbers & shootists
by night.

It may also save you the trouble of
research if I give you the times &
places of Jack the Ripper's pleasantries.

(1) 31st Aug. '88. Mary Ann Nichols. Found
at Bucks Row with her throat cut &
slight mutilation of stomach.

(2) 8th Sept. '88. Annie Chapman found in a
back yard at Hanbury St., throat cut & bad
mutilation as to stomach & private parts.

[page 2]

(3) 30th Sept. '88. Elizabeth Stride, throat
cut only (no mutilations) in Berners
St. near Anarchist Club.

(4) 30th Sept. '88. Catherine Eddowes, found
in Mitre Square, throat cut, bad mutilation
of face, stomach & private parts.

(5) 9th Novr '88. Mary Jeanette Kelly, found
in a room in Miller's Court, Dorset St.
with throat cut, and the whole face &
body fiendishly mutilated.

Don't forget "Dowt" which her name
is Devereux, & don't trouble to reply
to this

Yours always

M.L. Macnaghten
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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #4
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Hi AP,

Thanks for posting the transcription, which ought to give everybody the chance to assess your interpretation of it, but if I may pick on one small thing: do you really think that when Macnaghten signs off by saying, 'Don't trouble to reply to this,' he 'promises Sims that there will be no more contact between them after this exchange'? Can you think of any other ways of understanding this remark?

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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #5
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So many years after the Macnaghten Memo was written; in 1907 NacNaghten was still a very confused police official indeed, for he is linking a case from 1887 involving the murder of Sarah Devereux by George Chapman to the later Whitechapel Murders. But George Chapman was sentenced by the Old Bailey to fifteen years penal servitude for killing Devereux wasn't he?
1877 surely?
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Thanks Debs, I was peering over the glass at the time and it obscured my vision of the greater plan.
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A.P.

Where does Macnaghten mention 'George Chapman' in what you've posted ?
Is there more ?


Good eye, Debs....it was September 27th, 1877.
That Chapman kicked Sarah Devereux to death.

Skip it, A.P....I see that you made an error.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #8
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Mark , please do not talk to me like I am a moron, although I know I can be. Accepted the remark can be dismissed as incidental, but not after the shite this jumped up jerk of a police officer contributed to our understanding of the case. He should have been shot in 1888. By Charles.
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A.P.
Lighten up, pardner....I seriously doubt Mark was condescending in the way he posed his question.

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is Devereux, & don't trouble to reply
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Does anyone know what on earth that is supposed to mean?
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