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Old September 22nd, 2017, 12:11 PM   #1
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Does anyone know of an online resource that would give me access to this Police Gazette record? Or is it too recent to be publicly available?

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Old September 22nd, 2017, 12:51 PM   #2
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Hi Gary


Ancestry doesn't seem to have 1923, and by my calculations Volume III would be 1916, which again they don't seem to have. Find My Past has 1916 but it's about deserters and absentees from the army. No sign of 1923.
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Ancestry doesn't seem to have 1923, and by my calculations Volume III would be 1916, which again they don't seem to have. Find My Past has 1916 but it's about deserters and absentees from the army. No sign of 1923.
Thanks, Rob. I was thinking it might have been 1920 when he was on the run.

The BNA does have 1916, I think. I believe the man was in trouble with the military authorities during WWI, so perhaps the photo was from then.

I'll have another look, although I don't currently have a subscription for the BNA.
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Ancestry don't even have 1920.
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Ancestry don't even have 1920.
Looks like it may be Feb, 1916. I'm getting close...
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 09:32 AM   #6
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No luck so far finding the relevant PG Supplement A. The images on the BNA are dreadful, so dark it's almost impossible to make out the person's features.

This is an example of the Supplement A from 1921. Click on to the photos and it brings up some very clear images.


http://www.londonancestor.com/misc/misc-policegaz.htm

The man I am looking for is an East End 'gangster' called John Humphreys, alias John Bradley, George Williams. He and his mates were described at a 1911 OB trial as 'three of the most dangerous men the police have to deal with in the East-end of London'.

I believe he was living in GYB when Martha Tabram was killed, but he would have been about 4/5 years old, so not a suspect.
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I thought I'd found him in the Pall Mall Gazette, 17th Nov 1920 page 2. But it says 'today' so not him. He got 3 years PS and had a long record including a court martial.
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I thought I'd found him in the Pall Mall Gazette, 17th Nov 1920 page 2. But it says 'today' so not him. He got 3 years PS and had a long record including a court martial.
He's described as a cook, isn't he? That and the slightly different trial date put me off, but the name, age and back catalogue seem to tie up, and my guy was court-martialled...

Of course, he was a Shovel Alley boy - it goes without saying.
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Definitely Shovel Alley!


You may have to stump up 8.40 for one page :


http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/C1693879
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Definitely Shovel Alley!


You may have to stump up 8.40 for one page :


http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/C1693879
Thanks, Rob. I couldn't seem to find the 1916 records at the NA. I'll drop them a line to see whether they can locate the right page. If not, I'll have to take a trip to Kew.

I'm back off to Dorset next week, though, so it'll have to wait for a bit.

Thanks again.
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