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The Witnesses + Evidence Inquest testimonies and how they have influenced Ripperology...from Albert Cadosch to a cry of "Oh,Murder !"....from the Goulston Street Graffito to those letters from Hell.

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Old September 22nd, 2017, 01:26 PM   #71
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It derives from schwarz, the German word for "black", which is pronounced something like "shvartz" (indeed, the Yiddish word is shvarts). The surname was used by gentiles and Jews, but it has been quite frequently encountered in Jewish families for many centuries. Its origin might have had something to do with the dark pigmentation of a person's skin and/or hair, in much the same way that the (English) surnames "Black", "Brown" or "White" originated in some cases.

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0807/names.php3
If his first language had been a Slavic one, would he still have used the Germanic Schwartz was what I was wondering.

Actually, German is the only foreign languuage I have any knowledge of.
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 01:39 PM   #72
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Old September 22nd, 2017, 02:18 PM   #73
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If his first language had been a Slavic one, would he still have used the Germanic Schwartz was what I was wondering.
Yiddish names had few boundaries.
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The name could have been spelled phonetically when Schwartz arrived in England. I found what I believed to be a Hungarian spelling of the name. I can't remember the exact spelling so think I will avoid a guess. Anyway, subsequent research showed a bunch of those people in Poland.

Remember too that Jews had difficulties with surnames. Their system used patronymics but when governments demanded they obtain surnames, some countries limited what they were allowed to adopt.

Czarny = black in Polish if anyone is wondering.
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Daniel Schwartz emigrated to America in 1924 on board the "Mauretania."
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John McDuell (and variant spellings) has been mentioned on the boards before because he appears on the electoral registers at 22 Ellen Street (The address Israel Schwartz gave in Sept 1888) in 1887/88 and some of us has wondered in the past if John McDuell was the actual owner of the property and renting it out to tennants in 1888 but didn't actually live there.
This record was in the Catholic Baptisms at St Anne's in 1888, it's the baptism of a daughter of John McDuell who was baptised on June 6th 1888 and the address of residence is given as 22 Ellen Street.

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