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Le Grand of the Strand An intriguing figure within the WM...a man of dubious character...complete with a pack of alibis.

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Old January 4th, 2013, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Sunday Times 1897-Ripper in prison

I can't recall if we've had this one before but I'm sure I would have remembered it if we had given that it is another mention in the newspapers that the Ripper was currently serving a long term in prison. Apologies if it's been posted before.

Although it doesn't give any clue as to who it is about, I've added it to the Le Grand thread as he is one convict we know was written about in 1892 and possibly 1889, as being a Ripper suspect imprisoned for another crime.

I was wondering if this particular one could perhaps relate to Grainger though (steady on, Tom!) as he was sent down in 1895 after the papers linked him to JTR and that was for 10 years so that qualifies as a long sentence too, I think?

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Old January 4th, 2013, 04:58 PM   #2
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Nice find Debs !
We have a Sunday Times repository...but as I was trawling them, I didn't remember seeing this one from 1897.
Again, fine find Debs.
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Oh, hello. Welcome to the cellar , How.
Have you got 50p for the gas meter? It's cold and dark without that oblique lamp shining.
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I knew I'd get you alone sooner or later, Debs !
oops,I forgot to quote a quote in bold within a box at the same time
to confuse* everyone reading and buy us more time!

* artistic licence as no one has underlined yet today!
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I'd hate to make this a menage trois, but I wanted to say that here's yet another unique and intriguing find from Debs. No need for me to 'steady on' as Grainger came to my mind the same time as Le Grand did when I read this. My only question is, wasn't Grainger pretty much cleared by the press and public by 1897? I'm surprised Nemo hasn't yet been along with his tuppence, but these days if it doesn't have to do with Swanson, Kozminski, or a rogue gaslight, it's hard to get discussion going. Or is that just me?

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but these days if it doesn't have to do with Swanson, Kozminski, or a rogue gaslight, it's hard to get discussion going. Or is that just me?

There is a lotta discussion about that, Tom. You're correct.
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I'd hate to make this a menage trois, but I wanted to say that here's yet another unique and intriguing find from Debs. No need for me to 'steady on' as Grainger came to my mind the same time as Le Grand did when I read this. My only question is, wasn't Grainger pretty much cleared by the press and public by 1897? I'm surprised Nemo hasn't yet been along with his tuppence, *but these days if it doesn't have to do with Swanson, Kozminski, or a rogue gaslight, it's hard to get discussion going. Or is that just me?

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*My SUBTLE rainbow hints about gaslight didn't register,obviously?!

Yes, you did also think it referred to Grainger when I mentioned it to you earlier today. I only thought so because the Sunday Times a couple of months before (Dec 1896) repeated (verbatim) a magazine article about the fireman Grant and his possible guilt.The said article posted on the forums about 5 separate times by a few of us!
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The said article posted on the forums about 5 separate times by a few of us!

Went right over my head, Debs...I know we have some unique Le Grand finds and took it for granted that what you found was new.
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The said article posted on the forums about 5 separate times by a few of us!

Went right over my head, Debs...I know we have some unique Le Grand finds and took it for granted that what you found was new.
It was a different Grant/Grainger related article I am talking about, How.
The article was about Grainger being the Ripper and dated about 1895,the Sunday Times published it vebatim, a couple of months before they published this article saying the ripper was serving a penal servitude sentence. I connected the two, as did Tom, seemingly, because Grainger went on to serve 10 years.
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Okay ! Thanks for the explanation

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