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Le Grand of the Strand An intriguing figure within the WM...a man of dubious character...complete with a pack of alibis.

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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:46 AM   #11
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In London Society Vol 69 Jan to June 1896 an article about unsolved murders mentioned the Fireman Grant whose crime was similar to that of the Ripper and whose court case and charge was cocked up in some way so he ended up facing a lesser charge than he should have.

I posted the LS article here originally (July 2011)
(Second article in post.)

A very similar article, mentioning Grant the ship's fireman and details of the charges against him being less severe than they should have been and also linking his crime to the Ripper crimes, appeared in an article titled "Murderers at large" and published in the Sunday Times of Dec 27th 1896.

Then the Sunday Times of April 11th 1897 published the article I took the snippet posted in the first post from, " Un-Ravelled murderers of London" about the Ripper now being in prison and serving a long sentence of penal servitude.

Finally, London Society Vol 73 page 68 1898 were still asking questions about this "Red-hot potato", Grant.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #12
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Thanks for putting them all together on that post, Debs.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 10:56 AM   #13
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Hi Debs, you must have read my mind because I had intended today to ask where I might read the Fireman Grant stuff. You've posted that and others, so when I get back from work this afternoon I look forward to checking them out. Is everything okay with Nemo? I'm surprised not to have seen him on this thread since he's a Grainger Ranger.

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Tom, How, I haven't linked to the two Sunday Times articles and the London Society links are just snips I posted but I'm sure How won't mind posting up the stuff from the Times in full now I've given the dates and title. The London Society piece of 1898 is the article I was talking about when I mentioned it had been posted a few times in the past by a few different posters. Its full title is "Is the C.I.D. a failure", you may be able to find the full version on either boards by googling that phrase.

I hope Nemo is okay too. Hopefully he's just too busy to read and post at the moment.
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Just got back Debs...I will be happy to post the entire Sunday Times article within 5 minutes.
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Thanks very much, How. I meant to reply to your PM asking me if I wanted them posting last night but forgot. xxx
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Debs:
Here's the article you located and thanks once again for sharing it with us !
By the way, the squashed sentence which appears is that way in the article....I cannot correct it.

Sunday Times
April 11, 1897
Page 4
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Quick comment here....
Debra took the time to scour the Sunday Times and came up with these two gems. I had been going through the same archive prior to this and didn't see them.
Further proof that these newspaper archives have good, helpful articles in them that even someone who spends over 60 hours a week on them can overlook.
Top shelf, Debs !
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It may be or is, depending on your suspect preference, further evidence that everyone was inclined to believe that the Ripper had yet to be apprehended.
If the Times was in the dark, then just about everyone was in the dark, wouldn't you think ?
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Quick comment here....
Debra took the time to scour the Sunday Times and came up with these two gems. I had been going through the same archive prior to this and didn't see them.
Further proof that these newspaper archives have good, helpful articles in them that even someone who spends over 60 hours a week on them can overlook.
Top shelf, Debs !
XXXXX

It may be or is, depending on your suspect preference, further evidence that everyone was inclined to believe that the Ripper had yet to be apprehended.
If the Times was in the dark, then just about everyone was in the dark, wouldn't you think ?
Thanks, How. I was looking for Harriet Buswell though xxx
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