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Old March 14th, 2017, 06:07 AM   #1
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Question What did the front of 29 Hanbury street look like?

I wonder what the front of 29 looked like back in the day. Of course I have seen all the old photographs showing the two doors, the right to the shop and the left to the corridor, but in some contemporary sketches I see a single door with the shop windows with blinders to the right of this single door.

Which one is the correct? Did 29 look pretty much like on the old photographs or not?


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Old March 14th, 2017, 06:18 AM   #2
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I wonder what the front of 29 looked like back in the day. Of course I have seen all the old photographs showing the two doors, the right to the shop and the left to the corridor, but in some contemporary sketches I see a single door with the shop windows with blinders to the right of this single door.

Which one is the correct? Did 29 look pretty much like on the old photographs or not?

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The contemporary sketches are accurate (with the single door). These would have been sketched at the time of the murder.
If you need even more detail some of the contemporary newspapers gave extra details such as the colour and condition of the paint work.
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The contemporary sketches are accurate (with the single door). These would have been sketched at the time of the murder.
If you need even more detail some of the contemporary newspapers gave extra details such as the colour and condition of the paint work.


Thanks Jon. But all the floor plans show there being two front doors just next to each other?


Edit: I also note the basement windows' foundations still visible in the photograph, which correlate to the sketch.
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The sketch. if I remember correctly was drawn on the day of the murder and the photo is from the 1960s. I believe the second door was put in around 1895.

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The sketch. if I remember correctly was drawn on the day of the murder and the photo is from the 1960s. I believe the second door was put in around 1895.

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Thanks Rob. Do you know if there were other renovations which altered the appearance of the exterior of the building? Another example being the back yard and how the building looked on that end. I see a lot of different variations in sketches when it comes to the windows looking out into the yard, their sizes and placements. As compared with the later photographs.
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Hi Johan,

I believe only changes were made to the shop front. The back would basically be the same. In the later photos the fence is a new one. So that had changed from 1888 and the only other major change was that there was a cover over the steps leading down to the cellar.
The window placement would be the same as what is in the later photographs and the differences in the sketches would be down to errors made by the sketch artist.

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I believe only changes were made to the shop front. The back would basically be the same. In the later photos the fence is a new one. So that had changed from 1888 and the only other major change was that there was a cover over the steps leading down to the cellar.
The window placement would be the same as what is in the later photographs and the differences in the sketches would be down to errors made by the sketch artist.

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Thank you very much Rob. Currently starting some artwork on the Chapman case. Hence the inquiry.
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